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Hassan Nasrallah’s public speech in Libanon sent … waves of disappointment among the ruling Turkish Islamists. Why was that so? What... were they expecting?

Written by Dionisis Pantis, Advocate, Appointed to the Greek Supreme Court and Geopolitical Analyst: Hassan Nasrallah’s public speech in Libanon sent … waves of disappointment among the ruling Turkish Islamists. Why was that so? What... were they expecting? Hassan Nasrallah's public speech in Lebanon spread waves of … frustration among Turkish Islamists, gray wolves, nationalists, Turkists. What caused that frustration was the huge difference between what they eagerly expected from that speech and what was actually delivered. So far, much to the dismay of Turko-Islamists, Iran and Hezbollah did not bite the verbal Turkish hook using which, the Turkish propaganda machine, ‘goes fishing’ in the international communities’ murky waters, in order to, technically, ‘push’ them to ... preach .. Total war in Israel or even one ... total … Jihad. Immediately after Nasrallah's speech, which was public, that is, surprisingly in an open space, the Turkish propaganda machine attacks Nasrallah as ... inferior to the crucial circumstances, almost proclaiming him a coward, and indirectly - but clearly- for the same reasons, attacking Iran. But they fail to explain why they (the Turks) don't escalate the situation accordingly, by themselves, against Israel or USA and yet expect … others to do so. Meaning, for example, what is the reason they do not mobilize their fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, where the American armada stands so that they could operate … in a counterbalance mode against Americans and Israelis… Or, moreover, why don't they threaten to ... withdraw from NATO or even cease their flourishing trade relations with Israel. Of course they do not intend to do so, as they have no intention of doing any of the above. On the contrary, they aspire to convey the significance of the Israeli oil/gas through pipelines passing through Turkey. This attitude is a bit reminiscent of the traditional shadow theater and its leading figure, beloved both in Greece and in Turkey, Karagiozis, when he says with all passion and heroism, I quote: “all of YOU fight and all of YOU die for the country” (in this particular case for the common religion, the Umma). However, the Turkish-Islamists who are apparently (literally) enraged, also remind us of another famous Greek proverb: "the wolf (grey black or green) in chaos rejoices". Reinterpreted: given the bottomless Turko-Islamic/Neo-Ottoman ambition in 2053 to be ... planet lords, they would very much like an all-out Iran/Hezbollah (Arabs included as well, if possible, i.e. Gulf Kingdoms, Egypt, etc.) conflict with Israel and the USA. They would rub their hands with glee in the case that: 1. It would weaken all enemies and "friends" (so to speak) and 2. They would then present Turkey with their NATO status and the anti-Israeli rhetoric intact and their power unattached as saviors to the Islamic masses/consumers of Turkish products and ... propaganda, as well as the west as the ideal ... mediator. So they would all do them the favor, both “friends” and adversaries, of crushing each other in order for the Turks to emerge as the only unscathed regional rulers and, why not, something even more than that. Turkey intensely reminds everyone in the Middle East of how good things used to be (apparently for the Sultan and the local pashades) in the region during the time all the Middle East was occupied by the Ottomans and when they lived and under the Ottoman rule and how peaceful life was then for ... their subjects. After the Turks went well after Libya, Syria, Iraq, Armenia etc they have desired to ... be the guarantor of the security and peace in the entire Middle East! They, moreover, have the same objective to accomplish not only in the Middle East but also in North Africa, in the Balkans (as protectors of the Islamic states of Albania, Kosovo, Islamic Bosnia and Herzegovina and of the Muslim cultural-religious minorities, that consider them as remnants of the Ottoman Empire). They also desire to be dominant in Caucasus too, and there they promote their plans through Azerbaijan (under the notion of “two states one ethnicity” that constitutes both countries) and their pan-Turanic ambitions in the remaining Turkic, as they called them, states in the Central Asia. Keeping the afore-mentioned in mind, it is worth wondering what their opinion is of the mental status of the US, Israel, Iran, Hezbollah, Arabs, Muslim World leaders who underestimate them so much … It is a fact that Turkey's credibility in the Muslim world was, as long as Turkey was ruled by the Kemalists, at a near to zero level. Actually the Muslim world considered Turkey, correctly most probably, as the long arm of the West in the Middle East and in the entire Muslim world, more to say, as the only fully loyal to the west Muslim country, the only Muslim full member of the NATO Organization. But it is also true that the Turkish Islamists themselves, also came into power in Turkey with the aid or at least the consent of the USA and they (the Turkish Islamists) certainly never questioned NATO and their loyalty to the alliance (apart from recent "tangles" with Swedish membership to NATO etc) that constitutes THE cornerstone organization of the Western security and from which they derive incredibly important advantages for their internal security and their international position. Muslims, both Shiites and Sunnis, Iranians and Arabs alike, see that the Turks are trying to fit two watermelons in the same armpit and “carry: them the safely all the long way home: loyalty to NATO and Islamic anti-Westernism and of course ... the distrust remains.

As skilled as the Islamic Turks are in the Ottoman bazaar and the "Turanians", the Islamists gray nationalist allies, it seems that, with the crisis in Gaza under consideration, became rather tight for them, and they risk being isolated ... on both sides, both by the West and by the Muslim world.

Κύματα … απογοήτευσης μοίρασε σε τούρκους ισλαμιστές η δημόσια ομιλία του Χασάν Νασράλα στο Λίβανο.

[253 φορτηγά πλοία έχουν καταπλεύσει από την Τουρκία στο Ισραήλ από τις 7 Οκτωβρίου 2023 μέχρι το δημοσίευμα 14.11.2023 .Ο σίδηρος και ο χάλυβας είναι από τα προϊόντα που μεταφέρονται πιο συχνά,το εμπόριο μεταξύ των δύο χωρών συνεχίζεται αμείωτο. Τα υπόλοιπα είναι για τα ανατολικά ή δυτικά κορόϊδα]

το παρόν άρθρο δημοσιεύτηκε στον ιστότοπο Fantomas.gr στο ακόλουθο link: https://fantomas.gr/o-aravikos-kosmos-kai-i-apogoiteysi-gia-ton-nasrala/ Κύματα … απογοήτευσης μοίρασε σε τούρκους ισλαμιστές η δημόσια ομιλία του Χασάν Νασράλα στο Λίβανο. Κύματα … απογοήτευσης μοίρασε σε τούρκους ισλαμιστές, γκρίζους λύκους, εθνικιστές, τουρκιστές κα η δημόσια ομιλία του Χασάν Νασράλα στο Λίβανο. Άλλα περίμεναν και άλλα τους ήρθαν. Μέχρι στιγμής, προς μεγάλη απογοήτευση των τουρκοϊσλαμιστών της Τουρκίας, Ιράν και Χεζμπολά δεν τσιμπάν το βερμπαλιστικό τουρκικό αγκίστρι με το οποίο ψαρεύει σε θολά νερά η τουρκική προπαγανδιστική μηχανή που ωθεί να … κηρύξουν .. ολοκληρωτικό πόλεμο στο Ισραήλ ή έστω μία … ολοκληρωτική Τζιχάντ. Αμέσως μετά την ομιλία Νασράλα, που ήταν δημόσια, δηλαδή χωρίς να υπάρχουν ζητήματα … ασφαλείας των παρευρισκομένων και σε ανοικτό χώρο, ο τουρκικός προπαγανδιστικός μηχανισμός επιτίθεται στον … κατώτερο των περιστάσεων και δειλό, όπως αφήνουν να εννοηθεί Νασράλα και έμμεσα πλην σαφώς, στο Ιραν (για τους ίδιους λόγους). Δεν εξηγούν όμως γιατί εκείνοι (οι Τούρκοι) δεν κλιμακώνουν αντίστοιχα με αυτό που θέλουν να πράξουν οι … άλλοι, εναντίον του Ισραήλ. Δηλαδή, για παράδειγμα, γιατί δεν ... κινητοποιούν τον στόλο τους στην Ανατολική Μεσόγειο όπου έχει καταφθάσει η αμερικανική αρμάδα ώστε να λειτουργήσουν … εξισορροπητικά έναντι Αμερικανών και Ισραηλινών. Γιατί δεν "απειλούν" με … αποχώρηση από το ΝΑΤΟ ή έστω να διακόψουν τις εμπορικές σχέσεις με το Ισραήλ. Εννοείται ότι όχι, δεν κάνουν ούτε προτίθενται να πράξουν τίποτε από τα παραπάνω. Εδώ παρακαλούν και φιλοδοξούν να μεταφέρουν και το Ισραηλινό πετρέλαιο / φυσικό αέριο μέσω αγωγών που περνούν από την Τουρκία. Θυμίζει λίγο η στάση αυτή, το θέατρο σκιών και την πρωταγωνιστική φιγούρα του αγαπημένου στην Ελλάδα και στην Τουρκία Καραγκιόζη, όταν λέει όλος πάθος και ηρωισμό: "όλοι να πολεμήσετε και όλοι να σκοτωθείτε για την πατρίδα!" (στην συγκεκριμένη περίπτωση για την θρησκεία, την Ούμα). Θυμίζουν όμως οι κατά φαινόμενον (εικονικά) στα κάγκελα τουρκοϊσλαμιστές και μία παροιμία: «ο λύκος (γκρίζος μαύρος ή πράσινος) στην αναμπουμπούλα χαίρεται». Μεθερμηνευόμενο: με δεδομένη την απύθμενη τουρκοϊσλαμική/ νεοθωμανική φιλοδοξία το 2053 να είναι … πλανητάρχες, θα ήθελαν πολύ μία ολοκληρωτική σύγκρουση Ιράν Χεζμπολά (ει δυνατόν και Αράβων ήτοι Βασιλείων του Κόλπου, Αιγύπτου κα) με Ισραήλ και ΗΠΑ. Θα έτριβαν τα χέρια τους σε ένα τέτοιο ενδεχόμενο που 1. Θα αποδυνάμωνε άπαντες εχθρούς και «φίλους» (να είχαμε να λέγαμε) 2. Θα παρουσιάζονταν μετά με την ΝΑΤΟΪΚΗ τους ιδιότητα ατσαλάκωτη και τον αντιϊσραηλινό βερμπαλισμό για τις ισλαμικές μάζες καταναλωτές τουρκικών προϊόντων και … προπαγάνδας, ως ο ιδανικός … διαμεσολαβητής. Έτσι θα τους έκαναν άπαντες την χάρη να κατατριβούν μεταξύ τους (κατατριβή φίλων και αντιπάλων) και να προκύψουν οι Τούρκοι μόνοι αλώβητοι περιφερειακοί ηγεμόνες και γιατί όχι και κάτι παραπάνω. Θυμίζουν με ένταση τι ωραία που ήταν τα πράγματα (προφανώς για τον Σουλτάνο και τους κατά τόπο πασάδες) στην περιοχή της Μέσης Ανατολής επί ... Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας και πόσο ειρηνικά διαβίωναν άπαντες ως ... υπήκοοι τους. Μετά την Λιβύη, την Συρία, το Ιράκ, την Αρμενία θέλουν να ... εγγυηθούν και την ασφάλεια στο σύνολο της Μέσης Ανατολής. Το ίδιο έχουν σκοπό και στην Βόρειο Αφρική αλλά και στα Βαλκάνια ως προστάτες των ισλαμικών κρατών (Αλβανία, Κόσσοβο, ισλαμική Βοσνία Ερζεγοβίνη) και των μουσουλμανικών μειονοτήτων πολιτιστικών υπολειμμάτων της Οθωμανικής Αυτοκρατορίας και στον Καύκασο μέσω Αζερμπαϊτζάν (δύο κράτη μία εθνότητα) και των παντουρανικών τους φιλοδοξιών στα τουρκογενή κράτη της Κεντρικής Ασίας. Είναι να απορεί κανείς τι νομίζουν ότι είναι ΗΠΑ, Ισραήλ, Ιράν, Χεζμπολά, Άραβες, μουσουλμάνοι επί της γης… Είναι γεγονός ότι η αξιοπιστία της Τουρκίας στον μουσουλμανικό κόσμο ήταν, όσο καιρό κυβερνούσαν την Τουρκία οι κεμαλιστές μηδενική. Θεωρούσαν άπαντες και μάλλον δικαίως, ότι η Τουρκία είναι το μακρύ χέρι της Δύσης στην Μέση Ανατολή και στον γενικότερο μουσουλμανικό κόσμο, ως η μόνη απόλυτα πιστή ΝΑΤΟΪΚΗ μουσουλμανική χώρα. Αλλά και οι Τούρκοι ισλαμιστές όμως, αναδείχθηκαν στην εξουσία της Τουρκίας με την βοήθεια ή σύμφωνη γνώμη των ΗΠΑ και ουδέποτε αμφισβήτησαν βέβαια την ΝΑΤΟΪΚΗ τους πίστη στην συμμαχία (εκτός από πρόσφατα «τσαλιμάκια») ακρογωνιαίο οργανισμό της δυτικής ασφάλειας, από την οποία αντλούν απίστευτα σημαντικά πλεονεκτήματα για την εσωτερική τους ασφάλεια τους και την διεθνή τους θέση. Μουσουλμάνοι, σιϊτες και σουνίτες, Ιρανοί και Αραβες, βλέπουν ότι οι Τούρκοι προσπαθούν να χωρέσουν δύο καρπούζια κάτω από την ίδια μασχάλη: την πίστη στο ΝΑΤΟ και τον ισλαμικό αντιδυτικισμό και φυσικά … δυσπιστούν. Όσο οι τούρκοι ισλαμιστές και αν είναι επιδέξιοι στο οθωμανικό παζάρι και οι «τουρανοί» γκρίζοι σύμμαχοι τους φαίνεται ότι με την κρίση στην Γάζα τα πράγματα έσφιξαν και κινδυνεύουν να βρεθούν απομονωμένοι … εκατέρωθεν. Αθήνα 5/11/2023, Διονύσης Παντής, Δικηγόρος στον Άρειο Πάγο και γεωπολιτικός αναλυτής English translation: Written by Dionisis Pantis, Advocate, Appointed to the Greek Supreme Court and Geopolitical Analyst: Hassan Nasrallah’s public speech in Libanon sent … waves of disappointment among the ruling Turkish Islamists. Why was that so? What... were they expecting? Hassan Nasrallah's public speech in Lebanon spread waves of … frustration among Turkish Islamists, gray wolves, nationalists, Turkists. What caused that frustration was the huge difference between what they eagerly expected from that speech and what was actually delivered. So far, much to the dismay of Turko-Islamists, Iran and Hezbollah did not bite the verbal Turkish hook using which, the Turkish propaganda machine, ‘goes fishing’ in the international communities’ murky waters, in order to, technically, ‘push’ them to ... preach .. Total war in Israel or even one ... total … Jihad. Immediately after Nasrallah's speech, which was public, that is, surprisingly in an open space, the Turkish propaganda machine attacks Nasrallah as ... inferior to the crucial circumstances, almost proclaiming him a coward, and indirectly - but clearly- for the same reasons, attacking Iran. But they fail to explain why they (the Turks) don't escalate the situation accordingly, by themselves, against Israel or USA and yet expect … others to do so. Meaning, for example, what is the reason they do not mobilize their fleet in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, where the American armada stands so that they could operate … in a counterbalance mode against Americans and Israelis… Or, moreover, why don't they threaten to ... withdraw from NATO or even cease their flourishing trade relations with Israel. Of course they do not intend to do so, as they have no intention of doing any of the above. On the contrary, they aspire to convey the significance of the Israeli oil/gas through pipelines passing through Turkey. This attitude is a bit reminiscent of the traditional shadow theater and its leading figure, beloved both in Greece and in Turkey, Karagiozis, when he says with all passion and heroism, I quote: “all of YOU fight and all of YOU die for the country” (in this particular case for the common religion, the Umma). However, the Turkish-Islamists who are apparently (literally) enraged, also remind us of another famous Greek proverb: "the wolf (grey black or green) in chaos rejoices". Reinterpreted: given the bottomless Turko-Islamic/Neo-Ottoman ambition in 2053 to be ... planet lords, they would very much like an all-out Iran/Hezbollah (Arabs included as well, if possible, i.e. Gulf Kingdoms, Egypt, etc.) conflict with Israel and the USA. They would rub their hands with glee in the case that: 1. It would weaken all enemies and "friends" (so to speak) and 2. They would then present Turkey with their NATO status and the anti-Israeli rhetoric intact and their power unattached as saviors to the Islamic masses/consumers of Turkish products and ... propaganda, as well as the west as the ideal ... mediator. So they would all do them the favor, both “friends” and adversaries, of crushing each other in order for the Turks to emerge as the only unscathed regional rulers and, why not, something even more than that. Turkey intensely reminds everyone in the Middle East of how good things used to be (apparently for the Sultan and the local pashades) in the region during the time all the Middle East was occupied by the Ottomans and when they lived and under the Ottoman rule and how peaceful life was then for ... their subjects. After the Turks went well after Libya, Syria, Iraq, Armenia etc they have desired to ... be the guarantor of the security and peace in the entire Middle East! They, moreover, have the same objective to accomplish not only in the Middle East but also in North Africa, in the Balkans (as protectors of the Islamic states of Albania, Kosovo, Islamic Bosnia and Herzegovina and of the Muslim cultural-religious minorities, that consider them as remnants of the Ottoman Empire). They also desire to be dominant in Caucasus too, and there they promote their plans through Azerbaijan (under the notion of “two states one ethnicity” that constitutes both countries) and their pan-Turanic ambitions in the remaining Turkic, as they called them, states in the Central Asia. Keeping the afore-mentioned in mind, it is worth wondering what their opinion is of the mental status of the US, Israel, Iran, Hezbollah, Arabs, Muslim World leaders who underestimate them so much … It is a fact that Turkey's credibility in the Muslim world was, as long as Turkey was ruled by the Kemalists, at a near to zero level. Actually the Muslim world considered Turkey, correctly most probably, as the long arm of the West in the Middle East and in the entire Muslim world, more to say, as the only fully loyal to the west Muslim country, the only Muslim full member of the NATO Organization. But it is also true that the Turkish Islamists themselves, also came into power in Turkey with the aid or at least the consent of the USA and they (the Turkish Islamists) certainly never questioned NATO and their loyalty to the alliance (apart from recent "tangles" with Swedish membership to NATO etc) that constitutes THE cornerstone organization of the Western security and from which they derive incredibly important advantages for their internal security and their international position. Muslims, both Shiites and Sunnis, Iranians and Arabs alike, see that the Turks are trying to fit two watermelons in the same armpit and “carry: them the safely all the long way home: loyalty to NATO and Islamic anti-Westernism and of course ... the distrust remains. As skilled as the Islamic Turks are in the Ottoman bazaar and the "Turanians", the Islamists gray nationalist allies, it seems that, with the crisis in Gaza under consideration, became rather tight for them, and they risk being isolated ... on both sides, both by the West and by the Muslim world.